I forgave and praise the lord in my life forgiveness was indeed profitable. Youre supposed to read the word daily, it says give us this day our daily bread. Read Matthew 23 for more information. These are not sacraments to earn salvation, but privileges granted by grace. The IFB ostracizes people when they leave. If you are careful to not show any emotion while singing for fear that you could be considered dancing, you might be an Independent Fundamental Baptist, 33. 19:13-15. Saying that Baptism is not necessary for salvation but rather it is an obedience to Christ is a liberal view of baptism and is unbiblical. It is awful that they put the rules and instructions of their mythology ahead of their love for 1. 13 What sorrow awaits you teachers of religious law and you Pharisees. Matthew 6:14-15 Pastor and his wife paid for reception, photographers, and and shower. Since God looks at Jesus to forgive Ill look at Jesus also to forgive. Amen! If your pastor begins his sermon by reading one verse then yells and pounds the pulpit for the next 30 minutes, you might be an Independent Fundamental Baptist, 17. That apparently is what Christ would do. All fellowship should be grounded in doctrine. WebNo denomination, governmental body, or religious hierarchy may dictate the church's beliefs or practices. At one point in my life I would have agreed with 45 of your 55 litmus tests, plus a few others. I grew up in a baptist church and went elsewhere after college and I am learning how liberal other churches are and anything goes as long as the people are happy. 2Co 5:15 And that he died for all, that they which live should not henceforth live unto themselves, but unto him which died for them, and rose again. The abuse would continue and they would be dead and their child would be in foster care. WebEvery active member wishing to speak shall rise and respectfully address the moderator. On this Wikipedia the language links are at the top of the page across from the article title. They will not participate, as a church, in any outside function with churches which do not also strictly base their faith and practice on the New Testament. For example, #54. That the man of God may be perfect, thoroughly furnished unto all good works. Well Pastor Wilkerson is no longer here, and welllll.as far as Im concerned will never be the same. I forgave him before he changed. Dress Standards For Christians (Pastor Tim Many of those things actually do go on at IFB churches, but several of those things are Biblical. when you run into her at Wal*Mart. I understand that its hard to convey emotions when typing, but the above list does not have the feel that it was done with a spirit of love but one of condemnation. My birth mother is a Catholic she didnt raise me. You can clap in church, we did that Mountain, the church I grew up though we didnt do it very often though. Our accountability comes through a board of directors comprised of 24 independent fundamental Baptist pastors who, in turn, were elected to serve as directors by independent fundamental Baptist pastors. If you went to a church camp where mixed bathing wasnt allowed and every evening there was a 3 hour sermon, you might be an Independent Fundamental Baptist. The two are completely unrelated. Since the origins of the church, Baptists have said the Bible is the only authority for Christian faith Told to leave them to the hog mire until they return to the father.. If your pastor is a true scholar of the Bible and is on fire with eagerness to teach it, you might be an Independent Fundamental Baptist. I sought counciling to see if there was anything in the Bible that could give Hope to our relationship. Hypocrites! Who are the Free Will Baptists, and what do they believe? Growing up in a very conservative IFB church, I can personally attest to how accurate most of these were. Romans 5:8 is about salvation. Clearly only one unforgivable sin is mentioned in the Bible (KJV even) and that isnt it. If you go to a church that sings/plays Just As I Am at the end of every service, you might be an Independent Fundamental Baptist, 21. My pastor and his wife sent evil. Anyway, Im sorry that you had a bad experience at an IFB church, but that doesnt excuse you for mocking Biblical beliefs. Be careful that a fanatical or unbiblical few do not cause you to condemn us all as a group. Satan's eternal end is everlasting torment in the Lake of Fire (Revelation 20:10). We believe that men are justified by faith alone and are accounted righteous before God only through the merit of our Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ. For you are so careful to clean the outside of the cup and the dish, but inside you are filthyfull of greed and self-indulgence! This is an assumption.. Theres a place to rebuke abusive religious practices. I will have to argue that while on vacation we just go to church somewhere else rather than dashing home. 28 So ought men to love their wives as their own bodies. 34. 30 Then you say, If we had lived in the days of our ancestors, we would never have joined them in killing the prophets.. Scripture is Good! When you discover that female is indeed wearing the acceptable dress, skirt or koulotts youre so relieved to know that shes right with God ! 5 Everything they do is for show. Seeing 2 brothers in Christ debase a conversation (be it one or both parties) to snide remarks, tasteless jabs, and condescension as a form or response, makes us all look bad. 51. We believe that the souls of unbelievers remain, after death, in conscious misery until the second resurrection, when with soul and body reunited they shall appear at the Great White Throne Judgment, and shall be cast into the Lake of Fire, not to be annihilated, but to suffer everlasting, conscious punishment (Luke 16:19-26; Matthew 25:41-46; II Thessalonians 1:7-9; Jude 6-7; Mark 9:43-48; Revelation 20:11-15). Remember when Jesus rebuked the Pharisees? But if ye forgive not men their trespasses, neither will your Father forgive your trespasses. 31. According to the ADL "Anti-LGBTQ bigotry and antisemitism are fundamental to New IFB ideology, as demonstrated by the doctrinal statements on their websites and the content of their sermons. And as the word independent implies, we are not all alike. Independent Baptist - RationalWiki Im still separate I have just decided to sin. Jesus forgives and loves and he also needs to be honored is all respects. G.F.F. I do into great detail about why I believe the IFB is cultish in practice. They were so grieved by the fact that they had broken a 30+ year record of being at church three times a week. Cleveland Baptist Church - Cleveland, OH - Pastor Kevin Folger ; Community Baptist We believe that Jesus Christ died for every man, and that each individual chooses to accept or reject the grace of God (Hebrews 2:9; I John 2:2). We can joke around about a differing denomination that we dont agree with, but how we react to a situation that wasnt intended, also matters greatly. I mean, why would you think its too liberal to sing anything other than hymns in the church because, there are some churches within the Southern Baptist Convention, which is different from the IFB, that have a contemporary music worship in one service and have traditional hymns in another service. I found myself laughing at quite a few of these because they are things that I used to believe. I came to get a few laughs but it sounds like you were really hurt by some church growing up. Was so funny reading it, one thing that struck me is if an outsider were to read it theyd be incredulous, wondering how we stuck with it for so long. I have to admit its a lot less work than actually thinking through things. If you stay, Im almost certain youll end up regretting it. I dont see how. You should tithe, yes, but do not neglect the more important things. Plus they believe that one cannot lose his salvation, Eternal Security, or Once Saved, Always Saved on the Calvinist view. Rom 10:9 That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved. If you think that tattoos are marks of the Devil, you might be an Independent Fundamental Baptist, 20. I rarely post on random pages I stumbled upon but by his reaction, he didnt think Dave intended to be offensive to prove a point. Doctrinal Statement - independentbaptist.church Then you have churches with no standards . Im open to discussions what Im not open to is people telling me what God wants me to do with my time and resources. I love psychology and I love my bible I use them together with Discernment from the Holy Spirit. 2 For with what judgment ye judge, ye shall be judged: and with what measure ye mete, it shall be measured to you again. I dont think having two revivals a year is a bad thing as they word states we should continue to get together as believers. I respond to IFB jabs, sometimes that requires a jab back. (Colossians 1:18; Matthew 18:15-20; Acts 15:22-21; 2 Corinthians 8:1-5, 19, 23), All born-again believers have the privilege of direct access to God. Everyone has sent in their life. 21. What your pastor told you is a severe twisting of scripture (if he even used scripture). Generally its the Pastor, or Preaching Elder or Minister, that has to attend multiple services because he has to preach the sermon. Get over it and work to rebuild the relationships instead of tearing down. The Baptist Fundamentals and Hermeneutics You consider it a personal failure if you are not able to find a verse within ten seconds, and secretly proud if you are able to find it right away. We believe the King James Bible to be inerrant. First Works had previously been the site of protests by activists opposed to its anti-LGBTQ teachings, but police reported there was no evidence linking the protesters to the bombing. Again its too legalistic. around the world wherever our Lord directs. Apart from Him we can do nothing. If you want a discussion ask for one. If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just to forgive us our sins, and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness. The Bible is our sole and final authority for faith and practice. The New IFB is strongly opposed to homosexuality, with several pastors advocating the belief that homosexuals should be executed by the government. The pastor our local congregation is the preaching elder and most Churches of Christ avoid the term, Pastor, when addressing their ministers. No, because thats not Gods will. [1], New IFB churches have caused controversy on several occasions, because of their opposition to homosexuality. Jesus tells us in Matthew 7:1-5: Judge not, that ye be not judged. Independent Fundamental Baptist or Bible-Believing Baptist) are a particularly cranky fundamentalist branch of unaffiliated Do you find them so humorous ? 39. Smoking, drinking, partying, dancing, listening to secular music or Contemporary music arent sinful though partying can only be sinful if you are drunk. I dont know what Daves intentions were. Independent Fundamentalist Baptists are a creepy, If this method were a stock, who would invest in it with such a low return. IFB Singles N/A The establishment and continuance of local churches is clearly taught and defined in te New Testa ment Scriptures (Acts 14:27; 20:17, 28-32; I Timothy 3:1-13; Titus 1:5-11). Gospel Light Baptist Church, Albany, Georgia. Tattoos are the marks of the Devil I really dont know if they are marks of the devil but I do agree that tattoos are sinful even if its against the Old Testament. They are as tragic as they are true and yes the IFB movement went ver overboard on many standards and traditions. Gospel Furthering Fellowship A church that has tract rack I dont know what they are for but my old church has one for storing hymn books (or hymnals), pew bibles, bible study books, etc. You should read my article on that: https://baptistdeception.com/tithing/, Dont get me wrong but tithing is still scriptural, even within the New Testament. If you compromise too much with the world, satan gets in and anything can happen thats why the word says to stay vigilant. And the second is like unto it, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself. I have scriptures on my walls that are from other versions. Section 1: General This is a sovereign and democratic independent fundamental Baptist church under the Lordship of Jesus Christ. We believe in the reality of the person of Satan and that he and the fallen angels wage a spiritual warfare against the plan and purposes of God (John 13:2; Acts 5:3; Ephesians 6:11-12). If you think that three church services per week is the minimum and that you must attend all three every week, you might be an Independent Fundamental Baptist, 9. Matthew 6:14-15 is a warning not a command. Me preferring the Kjv bible and believing its the inspired word of God is not incorrect. Take a look here: https://www.openbible.info/topics/tithe_in_the_new_testament. This Bible is preserved for the English speaking world without error in the King James Version. There are independent Reformed/Calvinist Baptists, and independent Arminian His son a child murderer. Get our Question of the Week delivered right to your inbox! Abortion is murder. Whether u believe its talking about judah/Ephraim or not. Each church is autonomous, or self-governing, and contains all human authority for leadership within its congregation. BTW, tithing isnt a Biblical teaching for NT Christians. I will cut to the chase: my Pastor and his wife took a much needed vacation a few years ago. Even though I dont believe the churchs teachings anymore, Im very grateful for the care and support I received from the Baptists growing up. The Baptist Distinctives are easy to remember using the acronym B.A.P.T.I.S.T.S. That is contrary to Bible doctrine for a pastor. I have 3 children I sometimes spank I sometimes lecture. As of 2019, the New IFB listed 32 affiliated congregations on its website, most in the U.S. with some in Australia, Canada, the Philippines and South Africa. I personally fall under Southern Missionary Baptist, and literally had questions in regards to my recent visits at an IFB church. 6. 48. Is there any perfect , no. Forget the past and move on to do those things that shine light to the lost, edify the saints, and glorify God. [4], Despite the website's claims that each church is independent, some followers and former followers of the New IFB have accused Anderson of having complete control over the organization and ejecting anyone who has a minor disagreement with him. We believe in verbal, plenary inspiration in the original writings, and God's preservation of His pure words to every generation (II Timothy 3:16, Psalms 12:6-8). Baptists do not believe that baptism brings salvation, but rather it is the answer of a good conscience toward God. Yes. I had a free apartment, food stamps, government phone, and a $60.. utility check every month. Hes a different man today thanks to Gods grace in our life. 27 What sorrow awaits you teachers of religious law and you Pharisees. It is the final authority on all matters of faith, practice, and polity. Inspired by Jeff Foxworthys You Might Be A Redneck IfI came up with a similar list of items for the IFB. Everyone has health issues. Fannin was later ejected as the lead preacher of SBC-Jax. I didnt really say you can get drunk on grape juice but if I did, I might be a little confused. So, are you happy about that, or wanting to change? I believe the Bible, and if you do not believe the Bible and hate what the Bible teaches, it is because your opinion is more important to you, than what the Bible says, and if that be so, then there is really no reason for you to go to church in the first place. I dont believe my husband was the only one hurting the relationship. The IFB is the organization hurting His cause. I dont have to try and understand it, I already know it. For if ye forgive men their trespasses, your heavenly Father will also forgive you: Christ is the o nly head of the church (Acts 13:1-4, 15:19-31, 20:28; Romans 16:1, 4; I Corinthians 3:9,16; 5:4-7,13; I Peter 5:1-4). Our only Head is the Lord Jesus Christ and our only headquarters is heaven. 8. If your your church funnels in the inner city kids via a bus ministry We dont have a bus ministry since the city of the church I go to is small. We believe that the Lord Jesus Christ was raised bodily and that He ascended to Heaven and is now exalted at the right hand of God, where, as our High Priest, He fulfills the ministry of Representative, Intercessor, and Advocate (Acts 1:9-10; Hebrews 9:24, 7:25; Romans 8:34; I John 2:1-2). The reality is the ONLY TRUE CHURCH is the church that PRACTICES BIBLICAL TEACHINGS and NOT THAT OF MAN-MADE TEACHINGS because THEY ARE AGAINST THE BIBLE because I do ask the question that why there are so many churches. 42. Anybody who opposes the IFB teaching is bitter Cant say that because anybody who opposes BIBLICAL teaching is spiritually blind because they dont know the truth. Our pastor dont take any credit he passes praise the church gives to him towards God. Grow your faith in a less toxic environment. Mental health issues are just another health issue people have. I hope that you left your church in good terms and that they knew how you felt and whoever was wrong to be revived and allow the precense of God to bring the individual to the norm in other words what christian ought to be not what men want to be. IF you are a single Independent Fundamental Baptist where do you go to meet other single Independent Fundamental Baptists? 15 What sorrow awaits you teachers of religious law and you Pharisees. Many on here were saved at a IFB church. As of 2019, the New IFB listed 32 affiliated co Whether we worship with hymns or hands int he air praise and worship songs, we are all suppose to be on the same side. If your church encouraged you to make your own decision about becoming baptized, you might be an Independent Fundamental Baptist. Some of these are humorous and right on the money. WebThe 1920 Baptist Fundamentals declared, The fundamental principle of the Baptists, in common with many other evangelicals, has always been the gospel, which is the essence The truth is, if you had sex with ANY woman before you finally decided to marry one of them, you are a divorced man. God values his word, even above his own name, and when you or I meet God, what we think means nothing to God, unless it lines up with His Word. Gods will was for me to forgive. 6:14-17), We believe that God has commanded that no intimate physical activity be engaged in outside of marriage between a man and a woman. We believe in salvation by grace Independent Baptist churches (some also called Independent Fundamental Baptist or IFB) are Christian congregations, generally holding to conservative (primarily fundamentalist) Baptist beliefs. The Lord is doing His work in ths world through local churches. N/A Wow! 24. at people who raise their hands during worship music you might be an Independent Fundamental Baptist, 34. The explosion caused property damage but no injuries or deaths. If you laugh (snicker, sneer, roll your eyes, etc.) 8. If you question if youre truly saved or not when youre having trouble accepting that giviing 10% of your gross income is a direct commandment for all Christians and if you dont give it, youre under a curse. 11. Hypocrites! Fellowship, guidance, and encouragement of the local church family are essential for believers to maintain an unwavering testimony and a meaningful life of service. ), you might be an Independent Fundamental Baptist, 41. The sacredness of human personality is evident in that God created man in His own image and is mindful of him, and in that Christ died for man; therefore every individual possesses dignity and is worthy of respect and Christian love. I dont agree with the term, sowing discord with the brethren because I agree everything what the Bible teaches. Every person is subject to these authorities, but all (including the authorities themselves) are answerable to God and are governed by His Word. Sometimes it makes you wonder if they have EVER read/learned anything from Jesus! 25. Would the lost or questioning feel that even if someone is attacking your comments, that youre setting an example that they could adopt? There are a lot of IFB pastors out there like that, the majority of the ones I sat under were like that, they just want to see you do better. 20. WebThe Road to Emmaus Baptist Church is an independent Baptist church in Monaca, Pennsylvania. I am also against body piercings as well. We believe that eternal life is the present possession of every believer (John 6:37-40, 10:27-30; Romans 8:1, 38-39; I Corinthians 1:4-8; I Peter 1:4-5; Jude 1, 2). Hey there. For they dont practice what they teach. Suits and ties are generally not required today for men , except for ministers, though some churches do require suits and ties and I dont know any that I do of. [11] Also in June 2019, Grayson Fritts, pastor at New IFB-affiliated All Scripture Baptist Church and a former detective for the Knox County, Tennessee, Sheriff's Office, delivered a sermon calling for the execution of gays.[12]. 3. Why dont you focus on the log in your own eye then you might be able to see the speck in my eye. Scofield Bible!!!! All people need to do is humbly ask for one. I was taught that I needed to let God change him. Im glad they didnt because Id probably be ashamed admitting Im a liar. 45. If your denomination knocked on their door im sure they wouldnt have gotten saved and the helped they needed. Biblical Reform School Discipline: Tough Love or Abuse? We believe that God forbids any attempt to alter one's God-given gender identity by any means, including surgery or appearance. If you believe that women are inferior to men and are to be submissive to their husbands, you might be an Independent Fundamental Baptist. They are shared in my article about tithing: https://baptistdeception.com/tithing/. I had my part. That can get a little hairy, though, because you never know when youll end up at a more liberal churchlike yours! I dont have a boarden to preform any religious works. If one gives because they are forced, or constrained TO GIVE, that giving does not come from the heart, and God does not honor that kind of giving. Happily a brainwashed Bible-folk for about 28 years with more peace in the knowledge of our Lord Jesus Christ and a firm foundation of absolute truth to stand on (yes, thats the KV, haha!). People are people and free to choose their own way. 33. Who are the Independent Baptists, and what do they believe? I had no idea that I, as an IFB, might be guilty of these things. Yes, believers disagree, theres nothing wrong with that. You might be a hypocrite if you dedicate a whole website to exposing deception while using it.??? So spontaneous but like it was planned. I wish you had broken up your last paragraph into multiple paragraph everything runs together. This is an independent fundamental Baptist program that has chapters in churches all across the country. That is the only sin that cannot be forgiven. Do you realize this was written as humorous piece ? An individual independent church might come up with their own definition of faith, they might subscribe to a preexisting one, or they might not use any. Can God heal if it be his will yes he can. Please read this article for more information: https://baptistdeception.com/reasons-for-not-accepting-the-kjv-as-gods-preserved-word-a-response-to-pastor-james-melton/, I hope that you left your church in good terms and that they knew how you felt and whoever was wrong to be revived and allow the precense [sic] of God to bring the individual to the norm in other words what christian ought to be not what men want to be.. If that is the case, you might as well go out and live like hell, because you are not interested in what God says anyway. [4][5], A split in the New IFB occurred in January 2019, after Donnie Romero, pastor at Stedfast Baptist Church-Fort Worth (SBC), resigned after it was revealed he had hired prostitutes, smoked marijuana and gambled. Ask questions if you need to and Ill be happy to explain more. The school was run by Lester Roloff, an independent fundamental Baptist preacher who broke from the Southern Baptist Convention in 1954 and founded a series Yes, I have countless emails and comments from people who were ready to give up on their faith until they read this site and realized that the IFB was in error not them. Like I said, Im more than happy to have a discussion. Christ died for his sin already, so he had already been forgiven by God. Out of over 30 , maybe 5 in 25 years 9 And dont address anyone here on earth as Father, for only God in heaven is your Father. I talk to her about my faith she talks to me about her faith. If that doesnt raise red flags for you I dont know what will. Those myths are addressed in my article: https://baptistdeception.com/tithing/, I dont need to wait. WebIndependent Fundamental Baptist churches have fellowship one with the other and often cooperate in such endeavors as evangelism. You can forgive him, that doesnt mean you have to marry him. Id have more time to minister to the lost if I didnt have to work to repair the damage done by the IFB. (2 Cor. You are quick to throw in a jab about how much you dislike them, but cannot tolerate anyone saying different. Their testimony is great Im sure they won more people to the lord than you. XII. I found this site while checking for deceptions in different denominations, starting with Mormons. He wasnt saying that spanking is right or wrong, but that definitely extreme discipline and beating kids is not what the Bible teaches. 32. I can be more specific and categorize your list of 55 things to give some examples as you asked OGrodnik to do, but it wouldnt be to diminish what you and others have experienced. 26. If you believe that attending an IFB church is the only way to hear the true gospel and get saved, you might be an Independent Fundamental Baptist, 36. Baptist Wow. If you believe that everyone who opposes IFB doctrine is just bitter, you might be an Independent Fundamental Baptist, 48. Only a person who has embraced the Savior in fa Continue Reading 4 AbdulQadir Salati